Subject	but they're dimensionally smaller and/or have small engines
Posted by	PhishZ on February 23, 2005 at 3:55 PM
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In Reply To	Civics, RX-7's, and 240SX's have that type of chassis also. posted by Marshall on February 23, 2005 at 03:41 PM
Message	And they also are built for less powerful engines (less chassis bracing/material, smaller and lighter clutch, flywheel, driveshaft, transmission, differential, halfshafts, etc.). So bigger and more powerful engines have an added mass penalty far beyond the weight of the engine itself. I don't know what the rigidity numbers are for those cars, but I doubt they're very high for Civics and 240SX's compared to, say a 350Z or a slicktop Z32. And in any case, the weight difference is not primarily attributable to accesories. In other words, you can't make a Z into an Elise by removing all the creature comforts.
Follow Ups	Given the relative success of retro styled vehicles - DbestiZ1 11:50:11 02/23/05 No - bassplayr 11:55:58 02/23/05 more likely to see the 240z design revived IMO - mousersix (San Antonio) 11:57:06 02/23/05 yeah... btw - bjammmin (SoCal) 12:08:36 02/23/05 They tried that already - chenc544 12:35:36 02/23/05 id like to see those (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 19:20:18 02/23/05 Bloated? The z33 weighs 200lbs less than the z32 (n/m) - Rodger 11:59:53 02/23/05 and has a base price of $26k (today's dollars). Way less - Scotts94z32 13:13:09 02/23/05 maybe ... but it is not a classic, ground-breaking design (n/m) - Guapo 13:30:16 02/23/05 Z32 isn't old enough to be retro. 240Z, sure. (n/m) - whitepearlz 12:04:57 02/23/05 We'll never see the Z32 again. >> - Arnel@Z32racing.com 12:13:23 02/23/05 I don't really hate 350. i just dislike the fact - DbestiZ1 12:17:23 02/23/05 I sure hope - spicyZ 12:32:59 02/23/05 240z yes, Z32 no. - Payce 12:36:55 02/23/05 TT 240Z gets my vote (n/m) - 240Z FeO2 12:56:43 02/23/05 If anything it will be a retro S series. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 13:17:53 02/23/05 I agree with your thinking, but it wont happen. - OU812 (southern Oregon) 13:30:19 02/23/05 Do you have any more pics of your car?? I would like to see - Unluky (MO) 13:44:08 02/23/05 The Z car will always have "retro" styling. - BradZ (FL) 14:08:19 02/23/05 why does everyone think the Z could ever be < 3000 lbs - ScubaSteve 14:12:34 02/23/05 That is not very sound reasoning. - Marshall 14:28:13 02/23/05 The guy in his 2513-lb McLaren F1 would like to know why (n/m) - NytWolf 14:53:30 02/23/05 Precisely (n/m) - Moxie 14:56:00 02/23/05 I got t-boned in my old Civic by a dodge dakota doing - boileralum 14:56:33 02/23/05 What year was that Civic? - Marshall 15:05:29 02/23/05 2000, as is my "new" one. I've been getting 29mpg - boileralum 15:21:12 02/23/05 I knew someone would mention this - ScubaSteve 15:30:19 02/23/05 well, mass will always help in accident survivability - PhishZ 15:36:52 02/23/05 They weigh 3000+ lbs - SactoTodd 15:04:51 02/23/05 i disagree - ScubaSteve 15:14:42 02/23/05 Nope - PhishZ 15:30:58 02/23/05 Civics, RX-7's, and 240SX's have that type of chassis also. - Marshall 15:41:05 02/23/05 but they're dimensionally smaller and/or have small engines - PhishZ 15:55:27 02/23/05 I hate retro design - Nadir(Detroit) 14:28:11 02/23/05 the next generation mustang will probably look something - Moxie 14:55:36 02/23/05 2nd...but I also hate most 'modern' designs - PhishZ 15:41:59 02/23/05 And once again, BMW leads the pack. ;) - SactoTodd 15:53:10 02/23/05 lol...2nd (n/m) - BradZ (FL) 16:01:29 02/23/05 hmmm can you say that you hate the 130K Z8 !!? - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 17:18:23 02/23/05 not all retro styled vehicles are success, e.g., T-Bird - Gordo 93TT NYC 14:57:22 02/23/05 At best, a new Z may have Z32 "styling cues" (n/m) - PhishZ 15:20:27 02/23/05 Twin turbos would be the best cue they could add ;) (n/m) - boileralum 15:45:44 02/23/05 I hear that (n/m) - PhishZ 15:55:59 02/23/05
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